“The electric power industry continues to face challenges in the future. A rapidly changing resource mix, a threat landscape, extreme weather, inverter-based resources. But really focusing in on reliability, managing the pace of a rapidly-changing resource mix, which includes not only making sure you don’t retire prematurely, but also that we’re building enough resources and making sure they’re dispatchable really continues to be our greatest reliability risk in the future.”
What Others Are Saying
Below is a collection of quotes from industry experts, policymakers, officials, and others on various electrical grid issues. Use the filters below to find perspectives on topics like coal retirements, reliability, regulations and more.
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- John Moura
- Director of Reliability Assessment and Performance Analysis
- North American Electric Reliability Corporation (NERC)
- Fox Interview
- 12/13/2023
“When we start a new transmission line today, it’s a 10-year process because nobody wants transmission. So, if it’s brand new and doesn’t have the right aways, we’re going to have to do condemnations, which is going to be tied up in court from cradle to grave. It’s a 10-year process at least so I think to say that it’s going to save the day is a fallacy right now that’s going to take more time. I get that we’re going to get there some time, but not in the short term.”
- Tony Campbell
- President and CEO
- East Kentucky Power Cooperative
- FERC 2023 Reliability Technical Conference
- 11/09/2023
“Clean hydrogen is even further behind than CCS. Under proposed rules, state plans are due in the summer of 2026. It is virtually impossible for operators to make permanent decisions to meet that timeline. They will be forced into either retirement of essential dispatchable coal units, or curtailment of those units to capacity factors below 20% by 2032, and complete retirement by 2035, and curtailing the use of natural gas units to capacity factors below 20% starting in 2032. The disorderly retirement and elimination of baseload generation will leave the electricity grid with a significant deficit of dispatchable generation that cannot be replaced by intermittent resources especially during a time of economic growth.”
- Tony Campbell
- President and CEO
- East Kentucky Power Cooperative
- FERC 2023 Reliability Technical Conference
- 11/09/2023
“We released a paper back in February about retirements. And we made a number of assumptions about retirements and came to a number of 40,000 megawatts between now and 2030. We’ve already been wrong about that in a number of faster retirements or retirements that we didn’t even see on the table.”
- Mike Bryson
- Senior Vice President of Operations
- PJM Interconnection
- FERC 2023 Reliability Technical Conference
- 11/09/2023
“When I read some of the EPA documents when they were releasing the rule, one thing really struck me was a quote. They said the power sector has a broad set of tools to deploy clean, affordable energy, take advantage of ready to go advance pollution technology, create and retain good paying jobs and reduce energy costs for families and businesses. Now you can debate many of the things in that quote, but to suggest that this rule or the energy transition as a whole is going to reduce costs, energy costs for Americans? That’s just irresponsible. That is not what we’re looking at. And we can’t keep promising that to people.”
- Julie Fedorchak
- Commissioner
- North Dakota Public Service Commission
- FERC 2023 Reliability Technical Conference
- 11/09/2023
“As we sit here today, we cannot run a system on 100% renewables.”
- Asim Haque
- Senior Vice President
- PJM
- CNHINews: Reliability of power grid in Pa. threatened as energy sources dwindle: industry experts
- 11/02/2023
“If you’re going to do a transition to a different set of generation, it’s going to take time to make that happen,” Matheson said. “What’s bad policy is forcing closure of reliable assets that therefore compromise electric reliability of the grid.”
- Jim Matheson
- CEO
- National Rural Electric Cooperative Association (NRECA)
- Politico Grid Reliability Event
- 10/26/2023
“The Inflation Reduction Act created a host of new subsidies to jump-start a domestic industry in the manufacture of critical generator components. It is not at all clear, however, that this will sufficiently work to timely reverse the trend of generation retirements outpacing the development of new generation with the reliability attributes we need to maintain reliable service to customers.”
- Frederick S. Bresler III
- Senior Vice President, Market Services
- PJM Interconnection
- House Subcommittee on Energy, Climate and Grid Security
- 09/28/2023
“… in a case where there’s a low level of replacement generation that actually comes on the system, and the retirements are as significant as we think they could be, we could start recognizing some shortages as early as 2027, 2028.”
- Frederick S. Bresler III
- Senior Vice President, Market Services
- PJM Interconnection
- House Subcommittee on Energy, Climate and Grid Security
- 09/28/2023
“Replacement generation seeking to interconnect is made up primarily of intermittent and limited duration resources such as wind, solar and battery storage. These resources do not replace the resources that are retiring on a one for one basis, you need more megawatts of those resources to replace what’s retiring.”
- Frederick S. Bresler III
- Senior Vice President, Market Services
- PJM Interconnection
- House Subcommittee on Energy, Climate and Grid Security
- 09/28/2023
“The rate of retirements of fossil fuel resources largely due to state and federal policies is clearly outpacing the construction of new renewable resources.”
- Frederick S. Bresler III
- Senior Vice President, Market Services
- PJM Interconnection
- House Subcommittee on Energy, Climate and Grid Security
- 09/28/2023
“I want to make sure we have a heightened sense of urgency.” [Bear said MISO is up against a wave of generation retirements and similarly tapering reserves at PJM and SPP, which means MISO won’t be able to rely on imported power from neighbors in the future.]
- John Bear
- Chief Executive Officer
- Midcontinent Independent System Operator, Inc. (MISO)
- "MISO: Reliability Risk Upped by 50 GW in Approved But Unbuilt Generation", RTO Insider
- 09/14/2023
“In the jurisdictional markets, the subsidies have effectively allowed intermittence to bid into the capacity markets at a price. Since the price signal that the electricity power is free, which it isn’t, it has depressed the prices for the entire market such that those units have to bid in their actual costs. [those units] are not going to clear the market and will not get a capacity ward. The result of that is premature retirement and the dispatchable resource are those that have things like fuel costs, regardless of what that fuel is. You have to put that fuel cost in, and they are pushed out of the market before their life is over, and the intermittence will end up making a larger percentage of the fleet going forward.”
- James Danly
- Commissioner
- Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC)
- House Energy and Commerce Committee
- 06/13/2023
“We are heading for potentially very dire consequences potentially catastrophic consequences in the United States in terms of the reliability of our grid.”
- Mark Christie
- Commissioner
- Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC)
- House Energy and Commerce Committee, Energy Subcommittee
- 06/13/2023
“I think it’s important to understand that FERC doesn’t order generating units to be built and FERC doesn’t order generating units to be shut down. We regulate the markets that have a big effect on how those decisions are made. In MISO, and really throughout the country, it’s states who decide what to build and states can decide what to retire. FERC has a huge impact because of the way we regulate the markets, but it all interacts.”
- Mark Christie
- Commissioner
- Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC)
- House Energy and Commerce Committee
- 06/13/2023
“But I want to emphasize, states decide what units get built, states decide what units get shut down.”
- Mark Christie
- Commissioner
- Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC)
- House Energy and Commerce Committee, Energy Subcommittee
- 06/13/2023
“Well, building generating capacity takes time, but the biggest problem we have right now is we’re losing existing generating capacity that could be running and it’s shutting down and it’s shutting down prematurely. So, we’re losing assets that could be providing power right now.”
- Mark Christie
- Commissioner
- Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC)
- House Energy and Commerce Committee, Energy Subcommittee Hearing Oversight of FERC- Adhering to a Mission of Affordable and Reliable Energy for America
- 06/13/2023
[On whether we are getting enough gas units build] “Looking at the PJMQ which is the line of units that want to get in and interconnected, about 90% of it is Wind, Solar or Batteries. I think only 4% is gas. The problem is that we are not getting enough new gas generation to provide backup to the increased deployment of wind and solar. The answer is no, we are not getting enough new. The bigger problem is the gas units we have increasingly can’t get the fuel supply to run as either baseload units that run all the time or as peaker units that have to be called in. It really is a matter of supply. If they can’t get the fuel supply then they can’t provide the power supply.”
- Mark Christie
- Commissioner
- Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC)
- House Energy and Commerce Committee, Energy Subcommittee
- 06/13/2023
“First, coal plants are being prematurely retired. Second, there is no technology to deliver around-the-clock base load electricity to replace this retired generation. It has to be tested, proven, financeable, and also connected to the transmission grid by 2028 when all these coal plants are retired. In fact, it’s doubtful anything will be ready by about 2035.”
- David Tudor
- CEO
- Associated Electric Cooperative Inc.
- Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources
- 06/01/2023
“Number one, the dispatchable generation we rely upon today to balance the grid is retiring, and it’s retiring at a rapid rate, and it’s retiring mostly driven by policy considerations. Second, electrification and large-scale data center construction is poised to create significant load growth in our footprint. Third, our new generation queue is largely intermittent, and so we need multiple megawatts of the new generation to replace one megawatt of the retiring generation. And, finally, the new generation is coming online slower than anticipated.”
- Manu Asthana
- President and CEO
- PJM Interconnection
- Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources
- 06/01/2023
“I just want to note the markets have worked… But what is different is that there is this massive policy pressure. It’s really pressure for generators that are dispatchable to retire. And the retirement dates are not tied to demonstration that the replacement capacity is there.”
- Manu Asthana
- President and CEO
- PJM Interconnection
- Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources
- 06/01/2023
“… the pace of the transition must be carefully managed to avoid pushing grid operations toward cliff-edge operating vulnerabilities. We certainly don’t want to see many [fossil units] coming off at once. The systems simply cannot be changed overnight.”
- John Moura
- Director of Reliability Assessment
- North American Electric Reliability Corporation (NERC)
- Reporters Call on 2023 Summer Reliability Assessment
- 05/17/2023
“We have significant concerns about this proposed rule landing at a time when the promises of job creation and job retraining in the coalfields remain little more than words on paper. The next round of coal-fired power plant closures is coming. But the coal-producing areas of the country are still reeling from the last round, and they are not prepared for this one.”
- Cecile E. Roberts
- International President
- United Mine Workers of America
- Response to the EPA's Proposed Carbon Rule
- 05/15/2023
“This proposal (Carbon Rule) will further strain America’s electric grid and undermine decades of work to reliably keep the lights on across the nation. And it is just the latest instance of EPA failing to prioritize reliable electricity as a fundamental expectation of American consumers. We’re concerned the proposal could disrupt domestic energy security, force critical always available power plants into early retirement, and make new natural gas plants exceedingly difficult to permit, site, and build.”
- Jim Matheson
- CEO
- National Rural Electric Cooperative Association (NRECA)
- Press Release in response to EPA’s Proposed Carbon Rule
- 05/11/2023
“We are retiring dispatchable generating resources at a pace and in an amount that is far too fast and far too great, and it is threatening our ability to keep the lights on. Now the problem is not the addition of wind and solar and other renewable resources. The problem is the subtraction of dispatchable resources such as coal and gas.”
- Mark Christie
- Commissioner
- Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC)
- House Energy and Commerce Committee, Energy Subcommittee
- 05/04/2023
“I am extremely concerned when it comes to the pace of retirements that we’re seeing, of generators that are needed for reliability on our system. NERC and other grid operators have warned about this.”
- Willie Phillips
- Chairman
- Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC)
- FERC Oversight Hearing
- 05/04/2023
“In some cases, generational retirements are outpacing new installations, and this is resulting in reduced reserve margins.”
- Diane Holder
- Vice President Entity Engagement and Corporate Services, Reliability First
- Reliability First
- WAND
- 04/13/2023
“When you do the math — when you look at the rate of retirements, you look at the rate of growth, and you add in the current rate of throughput for our queue — we are headed for some [resource adequacy problems]. And that trouble is likely to find us later in this decade.”
- Manu Asthana
- President and CEO
- PJM Interconnection
- RTO Insider
- 03/27/2023
“We’re either replacing plants with less capacity, no capacity, or replacing them with renewables that are intermittent and not always available.”
- Jim Matheson
- CEO
- National Rural Electric Cooperative Association (NRECA)
- NRECA Teleconference
- 03/14/2023