“One of the key challenges operators face as the resource mix evolves is how to get through the summer evening periods with fewer available resources at their disposal.”
What Others Are Saying
Below is a collection of quotes from industry experts, policymakers, officials, and others on various electrical grid issues. Use the filters below to find perspectives on topics like coal retirements, reliability, regulations and more.
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- John Moura
- Director of Reliability Assessments and System Analysis
- North American Electric Reliability Corporation
- Quoted in Electrical Contractor Magazine
- 06/11/2024
“Demand is growing in many areas at a rapid pace with the adoption of electric vehicles and construction of new data centers, straining some parts of the system.”
- Mark Olsen
- Manager of Reliability Assessments
- North American Electric Reliability Corporation
- Quoted in Electrical Contractor Magazine
- 06/11/2024
“The independent authority overseeing our electric reliability, the North American Electric Reliability Corporation, identifies “government policy” as the number one threat. Let that sink in. To save the electric grid, we need to convince Washington policymakers that Americans prioritize health and prosperity over political agendas. We need decision makers to base energy policy on engineering realities rather than emotions and magical thinking.”
- Chris Perry
- President & CEO
- Kentucky Association of Electric Cooperatives
- Op-ed Published in Louisville Courier Journal
- 06/08/2024
“If EPA’s [greenhouse gas] standards drive dispatchable coal and natural gas resources to retire before enough replacement capacity is built with the attributes the system needs, reliability will be compromised.”
- MISO Spokesperson
- Spokesperson
- Midcontinent Independent System Operator
- Interview with the Financial Times
- 05/30/2024
“The data center boom requires closer collaboration between large data center owners and developers, utilities, government, and other stakeholders to ensure that we can power the needs of AI while maintaining reliable, affordable power to all customers.”
- David Porter
- Vice President of Electrification and Sustainable Energy Strategy
- Electric Power Research Institute
- Quoted in Utility Dive
- 05/30/2024
“As you are aware, Talen is currently prevented from continuing to run without conversion beyond its stated deactivation date under [a Reliability Must Run] framework due to a private agreement it entered into with you. Neither PJM, the federally designated regional grid operator charged with maintaining grid reliability, nor the state of Maryland is a party to this agreement.”
- Manu Asthana
- President and CEO
- PJM Interconnection
- Letter to the Sierra Club
- 12/07/2023
“We are facing an absolute step change in the risk environment surrounding reliability and energy assurance. In recent years, we’ve witnessed a decline in reliability, and the future projection does not offer a clear path to securing the reliable electricity supply that is essential for the health, safety, and prosperity of our communities.”
- John Moura
- Director of Reliability Assessment and Performance Analysis
- North American Electric Reliability Corporation (NERC)
- Smart Energy International: North America faces electric reliability concerns over next decade – NERC
- 12/15/2023
“When I read some of the EPA documents when they were releasing the rule, one thing really struck me was a quote. They said the power sector has a broad set of tools to deploy clean, affordable energy, take advantage of ready to go advance pollution technology, create and retain good paying jobs and reduce energy costs for families and businesses. Now you can debate many of the things in that quote, but to suggest that this rule or the energy transition as a whole is going to reduce costs, energy costs for Americans? That’s just irresponsible. That is not what we’re looking at. And we can’t keep promising that to people.”
- Julie Fedorchak
- Commissioner
- North Dakota Public Service Commission
- FERC 2023 Reliability Technical Conference Electric Energy Stakeholders Panel
- 11/09/2023
“I’m just struck when we’re talking about these reliability challenges, that in a nation that is so blessed with an abundant array of affordable, reliable energy resources like America is, it really doesn’t seem plausible that we should ever fall short. Yes, we have storms yes, there are power outages that are going to happen, but not having enough should never happen ever. So, we have is a crisis in leadership that all of us face. I include myself as a state regulator, and we have to fix that.”
- Julie Fedorchak
- Commissioner
- North Dakota Public Service Commission
- FERC 2023 Reliability Technical Conference Electric Energy Stakeholders
- 11/09/2023
“The art of ensuring reliability has not changed, even though the backdrop has. We are all guilty of complaining about long periods of gray skies, and although we don’t complain when the wind isn’t blowing our hair out of place, we can certainly acknowledge those times occur. So, with more of the fleet made up of weather-dependent resources it’s just logical that a lack of fuel will cause them to be unavailable, and possibly for an extended period of time.”
- Clair Moeller
- President and CEO
- MISO
- FERC 2023 Reliability Technical Conference, State of Bulk Power System Reliability with a Focus on the Changing Resource Mix and Resource Adequacy
- 11/09/2023
“Reliability is something that is an expectation in our society, and it’s become easy to take it for granted. Today, however, the landscape has changed significantly to make it much more complex to deliver electricity with the reliability our society has come to expect. Unfortunately, there is a focus on debating the virtues of different resources and letting that distract us from the realities of reliability, so I am hopeful we can get back to some of those today. These should not be seen as “grim” realities, but I like to think of them as “grid” realities.”
- Clair Moeller
- President and CEO
- MISO
- FERC 2023 Reliability Technical Conference State of Bulk Power System Reliability with a Focus on the Changing Resource Mix and Resource Adequacy
- 11/09/2023
“As this Commission considers other potential reforms related to regional transmission planning and development, it is imperative that incentives like the [Construction Work in Progress] Incentive, Abandoned Plant Incentive, and [regional transmission organization] participation adder are all revisited to ensure that all the costs and risks associated with transmission construction are not unfairly inflicted on consumers while transmission developers and owners stand to gain all the financial reward.”
- Mark Christie
- Commissioner
- Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC)
- FERC Meeting
- 12/20/2023
“The electric power industry continues to face challenges in the future. A rapidly changing resource mix, a threat landscape, extreme weather, inverter-based resources. But really focusing in on reliability, managing the pace of a rapidly-changing resource mix, which includes not only making sure you don’t retire prematurely, but also that we’re building enough resources and making sure they’re dispatchable really continues to be our greatest reliability risk in the future.”
- John Moura
- Director of Reliability Assessment and Performance Analysis
- North American Electric Reliability Corporation (NERC)
- Fox Interview
- 12/13/2023
“There has been a strong push for quite some time to get coal power out of Maryland. In this accelerated timeline of exiting from coal-fired power plants in the coming 12 to 24 months, I think it’s going to create a major reliability concern for the state. The loss of power poses a real danger to the well-being and livelihoods of Maryland families and businesses. Until these current risks to our grid are fully dealt with, it’s a mistake to close reliable, baseload power plants too soon. That should be a concern to consumers in Maryland and businesses in Maryland that rely on dependable power.”
- Christopher Summers
- President
- Maryland Public Policy Institute
- Fox Interview
- 12/07/2023
“This situation requires immediate attention. Failure to come to resolution on this issue could result in degraded grid reliability for over 1,000,000 Maryland consumers during peak hours, including the entirety of the city of Baltimore, for the years between the stated deactivation of Brandon Shores and the date whereby needed transmission can be constructed.”
- Manu Asthana
- President and CEO
- PJM Interconnection
- Letter to the Sierra Club
- 12/07/2023
“We are starting to see that these three objectives of reliability, affordability and decarbonization often conflict. I think it would be really helpful and I think it is really necessary to have ongoing, serious, fact-based conversations about those trade-offs to help inform policymakers – those who are elected and appointed by those who are elected – to make the right trade-offs because there are trade-offs to be made.”
- Manu Asthana
- President and CEO
- PJM Interconnection
- PJM Inside the Lines: General Session Reflect on Maintaining Reliability in the Energy Transition
- 12/05/2023
“The proposed greenhouse gas rule “would inject additional cost and uncertainty [into the power sector] … by assuming the availability and affordability of unproven technologies. If the rules are adopted, consumers will pay more for a less-reliable system. “Given increasing signs of trouble on the grid, regulators should help stabilize the system, not exacerbate its problems.”
- Chris Parker
- Director
- Utah Dept. of Commerce’s Division of Public Utilities
- House Subcommittee on Environment, Manufacturing & Critical Materials Hearing
- 11/15/2023
“The proposal “requires stringent and unproven carbon dioxide emissions controls for coal-fired electric generating units to be implemented in unrealistic time frames. The plan would “usurp the authority and discretion” of the state agencies responsible for implementing environmental and energy policies.”
- David Glatt
- Director
- North Dakota Department of Environmental Quality
- House Subcommittee on Environment, Manufacturing & Critical Materials Hearing
- 11/15/2023
“When it comes to concerns with the rules, one of the things that I would put forward is that timeline is one of the most important aspects when it comes to the infrastructure and technology available to it. When you look at where SRP is located out in Arizona, I would refer you to the SunZia transmission line. This transmission line between New Mexico and Arizona has taken more than 16 years to get permitted. And I think I would use that as an example of where you have adequate investment, you have interest and desire by energy entities are really just out in the west we have a significant amount of federal land and that adds to the permitting requirements, the siting requirements to actually get infrastructure built. So, while we understand and appreciate the mission that EPA is trying to accomplish, we think it needs to be met with the practicality of trying to turn plans no matter how ambition in into reality and infrastructure.”
- Bobby Olsen
- Associate General Manager
- SRP
- FERC 2023 Reliability Technical Conference
- 11/09/2023
“When we start a new transmission line today, it’s a 10-year process because nobody wants transmission. So, if it’s brand new and doesn’t have the right aways, we’re going to have to do condemnations, which is going to be tied up in court from cradle to grave. It’s a 10-year process at least so I think to say that it’s going to save the day is a fallacy right now that’s going to take more time. I get that we’re going to get there some time, but not in the short term.”
- Tony Campbell
- President and CEO
- East Kentucky Power Cooperative
- FERC 2023 Reliability Technical Conference
- 11/09/2023
“The technology is being developed, but it’s not here. And the EPA is pointed to a few projects, but they’re not scaled up and they’re not online so the timeframe is way too short. I mean, if you think about it, it took us 100 years to get to where we are the most reliable, dependable, affordable electric system in the world. And now we’re trying to change it in eight years. And that’s just not going to work. We need more time to get to these new technologies that are being developed.”
- Tony Campbell
- President and CEO
- East Kentucky Power Cooperative
- FERC 2023 Reliability Technical Conference
- 11/09/2023
“Clean hydrogen is even further behind than CCS. Under proposed rules, state plans are due in the summer of 2026. It is virtually impossible for operators to make permanent decisions to meet that timeline. They will be forced into either retirement of essential dispatchable coal units, or curtailment of those units to capacity factors below 20% by 2032, and complete retirement by 2035, and curtailing the use of natural gas units to capacity factors below 20% starting in 2032. The disorderly retirement and elimination of baseload generation will leave the electricity grid with a significant deficit of dispatchable generation that cannot be replaced by intermittent resources especially during a time of economic growth.”
- Tony Campbell
- President and CEO
- East Kentucky Power Cooperative
- FERC 2023 Reliability Technical Conference
- 11/09/2023
“EPA is proposal is not salvageable. The real question is whether reliability might be salvageable. First, even if we put aside the enormous cost involved in the proposed rule relies on CCS and clean hydrogen, neither of which are ready at levels and scales for a sound economy that requires certainty and not in all regions of the country. The infrastructure needed for both technologies is not now and will not be in place at the scale to meet EPA’s deadlines. For instance, the developer of the Heartland Greenway CCS pipeline project, relied upon by the EPA and its analysis, recently cancelled the project.”
- Tony Campbell
- President and CEO
- East Kentucky Power Cooperative
- FERC 2023 Reliability Technical Conference
- 11/09/2023
“Overall position is that EPA ‘s proposal is unlawful and unworkable. The only way that the proposed rule will not have detrimental effects on the electric liability is for EPA to withdraw it.”
- Tony Campbell
- President and CEO
- East Kentucky Power Cooperative
- Electric Industry Stakeholders Panel
- 11/09/2023
“We released a paper back in February about retirements. And we made a number of assumptions about retirements and came to a number of 40,000 megawatts between now and 2030. We’ve already been wrong about that in a number of faster retirements or retirements that we didn’t even see on the table.”
- Mike Bryson
- Senior Vice President of Operations
- PJM Interconnection
- FERC 2023 Reliability Technical Conference
- 11/09/2023
“Zone operators can require that the utilities in their zones bring certain resources to the table, they have those abilities. And so, I think it needs to go to the interconnection process where you’re bringing on or taking off resources. We need to start requiring that the resources that come on bring the attributes, they all have to have the same attributes or similar attributes, or a package of attributes.”
- Julie Fedorchak
- Commissioner
- North Dakota Public Service Commission
- FERC 2023 Reliability Technical Conference
- 11/09/2024
“When I read some of the EPA documents when they were releasing the rule, one thing really struck me was a quote. They said the power sector has a broad set of tools to deploy clean, affordable energy, take advantage of ready to go advance pollution technology, create and retain good paying jobs and reduce energy costs for families and businesses. Now you can debate many of the things in that quote, but to suggest that this rule or the energy transition as a whole is going to reduce costs, energy costs for Americans? That’s just irresponsible. That is not what we’re looking at. And we can’t keep promising that to people.”
- Julie Fedorchak
- Commissioner
- North Dakota Public Service Commission
- FERC 2023 Reliability Technical Conference
- 11/09/2023
“I’m just struck when we’re talking about these reliability challenges, that in a nation that is so blessed with an abundant array of affordable, reliable energy resources like America is, it really doesn’t seem plausible that we should ever fall short. Yes, we have storms yes, there are power outages that are going to happen, but not having enough should never happen ever. So, we have is a crisis in leadership that all of us face. I include myself as a state regulator, and we have to fix that.”
- Julie Fedorchak
- Commissioner
- North Dakota Public Service Commission
- FERC 2023 Reliability Technical Conference
- 11/09/2023
“New technologies are far from commercial viability. There is little doubt that technologies will mature and/or new technologies will develop that can effectively and efficiently provide the needed reliability attributes. But, we are not at that point, and we won’t be any time soon. There is another “constraint,” if you will, that has been often ignored lately. Not only is reliability an expectation, but so too is affordability. Utilities could certainly install massive amounts of 4-hour batteries to provide the required attributes, but at massive cost. Simply put, time is needed to resolve this challenge, and, in the meantime, we have to maintain the existing sources of these attributes, understanding that their usage will decline.”
- Clair Moeller
- President and CEO
- Midcontinent Independent System Operator (MISO)
- FERC 2023 Reliability Technical Conference
- 11/09/2023
“Different resource types are different. There is a diversity of resources on the system right now. They all provide something that is needed for reliability, but none of them provide everything that is needed. The decarbonization goals being set by states and utilities mean we need significantly more renewable resources on the system. At the same time, however, we need resources that can run at high output for long periods of time to fill the void when Mother Nature is not providing renewable fuel or has forced large portions of the fleet out of service. In addition, we need highly flexible, dispatchable resources that can be moved up or down easily and quickly to counteract the variability that comes with weather-dependent resources.”
- Clair Moeller
- President and CEO
- Midcontinent Independent System Operator (MISO)
- FERC 2023 Reliability Technical Conference
- 11/09/2023
“The art of ensuring reliability has not changed, even though the backdrop has. We are all guilty of complaining about long periods of gray skies, and although we don’t complain when the wind isn’t blowing our hair out of place, we can certainly acknowledge those times occur. So, with more of the fleet made up of weather-dependent resources it’s just logical that a lack of fuel will cause them to be unavailable, and possibly for an extended period of time.”
- Clair Moeller
- President and CEO
- Midcontinent Independent System Operator (MISO)
- FERC 2023 Reliability Technical Conference
- 11/09/2023
“Reliability is something that is an expectation in our society, and it’s become easy to take it for granted. Today, however, the landscape has changed significantly to make it much more complex to deliver electricity with the reliability our society has come to expect. Unfortunately, there is a focus on debating the virtues of different resources and letting that distract us from the realities of reliability, so I am hopeful we can get back to some of those today. These should not be seen as “grim” realities, but I like to think of them as “grid” realities.”
- Clair Moeller
- President and CEO
- Midcontinent Independent System Operator (MISO)
- FERC 2023 Reliability Technical Conference
- 11/09/2023
“As we sit here today, we cannot run a system on 100% renewables.”
- Asim Haque
- Senior Vice President
- PJM
- CNHINews: Reliability of power grid in Pa. threatened as energy sources dwindle: industry experts
- 11/02/2023
“If you’re going to do a transition to a different set of generation, it’s going to take time to make that happen,” Matheson said. “What’s bad policy is forcing closure of reliable assets that therefore compromise electric reliability of the grid.”
- Jim Matheson
- CEO
- National Rural Electric Cooperative Association (NRECA)
- Politico Grid Reliability Event
- 10/26/2023
“While CCS and hydrogen co-firing technologies show promise, they are not yet commercially or economically viable on a grid-scale basis—and there are no assurances they will become so on EPA’s optimistic timeline. If EPA’s proposed rule drives coal and gas resources to retire before enough replacement capacity is built with the critical attributes the system needs, grid reliability will be compromised.”
- Todd Ramey
- Senior Vice President Markets and Digital Strategy
- Midcontinent Independent System Operator, Inc. (MISO)
- House Subcommittee on Energy, Climate and Grid Security
- 09/28/2023
“The technology for a non-synchronous type of generation grid is just not there yet. And it’s going to take years for that to advance. And in the meantime, we need a bridge to be able to get to the future. And that bridge is going to be thermal dispatchable generation.”
- Woody Rickerson
- Senior Vice President and Chief Operating Officer
- Electric Reliability Council of Texas (ERCOT)
- House Subcommittee on Energy, Climate and Grid Security
- 09/28/2023
“The recent acceleration in the pace of fleet change is increasing risks to system reliability for MISO. Dispatchable generators that we need to ensure reliability are being removed from the system before new resources with the needed reliability attributes are being brought online.”
- Todd Ramey
- Senior Vice President Markets and Digital Strategy
- Midcontinent Independent System Operator, Inc. (MISO)
- House Subcommittee on Energy, Climate and Grid Security
- 09/28/2023
“Transforming the grid is easy in concept, it’s very difficult and challenging in practice; there are multiple moving parts, and the timing and coordination of making those decisions is critical. If the pace of retirements gets ahead of the pace of replacing the lost reliability attributes, that’s when we could get into a reliability situation.”
- Todd Ramey
- Senior Vice President Markets and Digital Strategy
- Midcontinent Independent System Operator, Inc. (MISO)
- House Subcommittee on Energy, Climate and Grid Security
- 09/28/2023
“The growth of renewables has had many benefits, but because the wind doesn’t always blow and the sun doesn’t always shine, as a grid operator SPP has to rely on other fuel sources to ensure demand can still be met when these intermittent resources are not available.”
- Paul Suskie
- Executive Vice President, Regulatory Policy and General Counsel
- Southwest Power Pool (SPP)
- House Subcommittee on Energy, Climate and Grid Security
- 09/28/2023
“I don’t think adding renewables is the reliability challenge. It’s the retirement of conventional generation. That’s our challenge.”
- Paul Suskie
- Executive Vice President, Regulatory Policy and General Counsel
- Southwest Power Pool (SPP)
- House Subcommittee on Energy, Climate and Grid Security
- 09/28/2023
“We need to take the analysis of reliability impacts to the next level – choosing compliance dates and deadlines carefully and after more detailed study and analysis than has generally occurred to date in the policymaking process.”
- Frederick S. Bresler III
- Senior Vice President, Market Services
- PJM Interconnection
- House Subcommittee on Energy, Climate and Grid Security
- 09/28/2023
“We urge that reliability considerations be built into the analysis of potential policies rather than either being taken for granted or considered only as an afterthought once legislation is enacted.”
- Fredrick S. Bresler III
- Senior Vice President, Market Services
- PJM Interconnection
- House Subcommittee on Energy, Climate and Grid Security
- 09/28/2023
“The Inflation Reduction Act created a host of new subsidies to jump-start a domestic industry in the manufacture of critical generator components. It is not at all clear, however, that this will sufficiently work to timely reverse the trend of generation retirements outpacing the development of new generation with the reliability attributes we need to maintain reliable service to customers.”
- Frederick S. Bresler III
- Senior Vice President, Market Services
- PJM Interconnection
- House Subcommittee on Energy, Climate and Grid Security
- 09/28/2023
“… they could exacerbate the potential for reliability problems in the future to the extent that, again, we don’t get sufficient replacement resources to maintain overall resource adequacy and get the types of generator attributes that we need in order to replace what could retire.”
- Frederick S. Bresler III
- Senior Vice President, Market Services
- PJM Interconnection
- House Subcommittee on Energy, Climate and Grid Security
- 09/28/2023
[Response to Rep. Griffith’s question on whether 2027 is the tipping point for when the grid is not reliable] “It could be that early if the pace at which replacement generation comes online does not accelerate.”
- Frederick S. Bresler III
- Senior Vice President, Market Services
- PJM Interconnection
- House Subcommittee on Energy, Climate and Grid Security
- 09/28/2023
“… in a case where there’s a low level of replacement generation that actually comes on the system, and the retirements are as significant as we think they could be, we could start recognizing some shortages as early as 2027, 2028.”
- Frederick S. Bresler III
- Senior Vice President, Market Services
- PJM Interconnection
- House Subcommittee on Energy, Climate and Grid Security
- 09/28/2023
“… we think that the rule should incorporate things such as reliability analysis into things like deadlines as well as the potential for reliability safety valves.”
- Frederick S. Bresler III
- Senior Vice President, Market Services
- PJM Interconnection
- House Subcommittee on Energy, Climate and Grid Security
- 09/28/2023
“Beyond the overall resource adequacy question, dispatchable generation also provides, right now, the majority of the grid services we need; the flexibility, the ramping, those types of services that we need to balance the grid to operate the grid reliably.”
- Frederick S. Bresler III
- Senior Vice President, Market Services
- PJM Interconnection
- House Subcommittee on Energy, Climate and Grid Security
- 09/28/2023
“Replacement generation seeking to interconnect is made up primarily of intermittent and limited duration resources such as wind, solar and battery storage. These resources do not replace the resources that are retiring on a one for one basis, you need more megawatts of those resources to replace what’s retiring.”
- Frederick S. Bresler III
- Senior Vice President, Market Services
- PJM Interconnection
- House Subcommittee on Energy, Climate and Grid Security
- 09/28/2023
“The rate of retirements of fossil fuel resources largely due to state and federal policies is clearly outpacing the construction of new renewable resources.”
- Frederick S. Bresler III
- Senior Vice President, Market Services
- PJM Interconnection
- House Subcommittee on Energy, Climate and Grid Security
- 09/28/2023
“The world that we are operating is a lot more complex, so to maintain the reliability we’ve become accustomed to, we will need to adjust our markets and processes.” [Remarks to the Board – saying MISO and members have been “fortunate” to preside over smooth operations and manage them with simpler market tools. However, he said a multitude of renewable resources and increasingly unstable weather is poised to further drive volatility and riskier operations.]
- Zak Joundi
- Executive Director of Market and Grid Strategy
- Midcontinent Independent System Operator, Inc. (MISO)
- "MISO: Could Have Employed Wait-and-see Approach for August Emergency", RTO Insider
- 09/17/2023
[While MISO remains fuel neutral] “We’re big fans of reliability.”
- John Bear
- Chief Executive Officer
- Midcontinent Independent System Operator, Inc. (MISO)
- "MISO: Reliability Risk Upped by 50 GW in Approved But Unbuilt Generation", RTO Insider
- 09/14/2023
“I want to make sure we have a heightened sense of urgency.” [Bear said MISO is up against a wave of generation retirements and similarly tapering reserves at PJM and SPP, which means MISO won’t be able to rely on imported power from neighbors in the future.]
- John Bear
- Chief Executive Officer
- Midcontinent Independent System Operator, Inc. (MISO)
- "MISO: Reliability Risk Upped by 50 GW in Approved But Unbuilt Generation", RTO Insider
- 09/14/2023
“We’re facing reality very, very simply. I think everybody knows that,” Christie said. “The question is, is there going to be the political will to make a turn in policy and recognize that we’re not going to get to where everybody wants to get, which is a lower-carbon grid, without reality being part of the equation, because reality will track you down. We’re headed to some bad outcomes and none of us want to be around when those outcomes hit, because that’s when the finger-pointing starts.”
- Mark Christie
- Commissioner
- Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC)
- "Nation’s Grid Faces Rendezvous with Reality", RTO Insider
- 09/11/2023
“We like to play games. You create the rules of the game, and everyone plays it, and it’s all about who can get the lowest cost because we’ve turned electricity into a commodity instead of an essential service. At some point, there has to be a financial metric rule, some payments, something somewhere to pay for that reliability. Otherwise, everyone’s going to keep playing the game and just chasing the cheapest electron.”
- Buddy Hasten
- CEO
- Arkansas Electric Cooperative Corp.
- "Nation’s Grid Faces ‘Rendezvous with Reality", RTO Insider
- 09/11/2023
[In calling for fairness in meeting reliability commitments] “We’re propping up reliability, but we get paid nothing for it. When the wind blows hard enough or the sun shines bright enough, we have to pay the market to just keep our resources online to prop up the market to be there for reliability. So when [prices] go negative, I’m paying to keep that resource online.”
- Buddy Hasten
- CEO
- Arkansas Electric Cooperative Corp.
- "Nation’s Grid Faces ‘Rendezvous with Reality", RTO Insider
- 09/11/2023
“We know we can’t afford a 100% reliable system. We’re going to have to make important tradeoffs between reliability and those three parameters [frequency, duration and scale] and how much we will be paid to avoid that. Resilience and reliability is not free.”
- Jim Robb
- President and CEO
- North American Electric Reliability Corporation (NERC)
- "Nation’s Grid Faces 'Rendezvous with Reality", RTO Insider
- 09/11/2023
“A wind drought, solar drought, cloud cover, unexpected cloud cover, extreme cold weather affects the ability of large amounts of generation to operate, so this whole notion of kind of random failure being the driver of how much generation we need isn’t sufficient.”
- Jim Robb
- President and CEO
- North American Electric Reliability Corporation (NERC)
- "Nation’s Grid Faces Rendezvous with Reality", RTO Insider
- 09/11/2023
“These results (Summertime Capacity Projections) continue to illustrate the reliability risk we face and reinforce the need for dispatchable, long-duration resources to be maintained and brought online to manage the transition to weather-dependent, low-carbon resources.”
- John Bear
- CEO
- Midcontinent Independent System Operator (MISO)
- Press Release: Summertime Capacity Projections Through 2029 from OMS-MISO Resource Adequacy Survey
- 07/14/2023
“In the jurisdictional markets, the subsidies have effectively allowed intermittence to bid into the capacity markets at a price. Since the price signal that the electricity power is free, which it isn’t, it has depressed the prices for the entire market such that those units have to bid in their actual costs. [those units] are not going to clear the market and will not get a capacity ward. The result of that is premature retirement and the dispatchable resource are those that have things like fuel costs, regardless of what that fuel is. You have to put that fuel cost in, and they are pushed out of the market before their life is over, and the intermittence will end up making a larger percentage of the fleet going forward.”
- James Danly
- Commissioner
- Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC)
- House Energy and Commerce Committee
- 06/13/2023
“We are heading for potentially very dire consequences potentially catastrophic consequences in the United States in terms of the reliability of our grid.”
- Mark Christie
- Commissioner
- Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC)
- House Energy and Commerce Committee, Energy Subcommittee
- 06/13/2023
“I think it’s important to understand that FERC doesn’t order generating units to be built and FERC doesn’t order generating units to be shut down. We regulate the markets that have a big effect on how those decisions are made. In MISO, and really throughout the country, it’s states who decide what to build and states can decide what to retire. FERC has a huge impact because of the way we regulate the markets, but it all interacts.”
- Mark Christie
- Commissioner
- Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC)
- House Energy and Commerce Committee
- 06/13/2023
“But I want to emphasize, states decide what units get built, states decide what units get shut down.”
- Mark Christie
- Commissioner
- Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC)
- House Energy and Commerce Committee, Energy Subcommittee
- 06/13/2023
[Will the “current and proposed EPA power generation regulations make the problem with gas fuel supply worse?”] “Yes, because they’re going to drive up the cost of operating a coal generating unit. And if you drive up the cost, obviously that has to be paid for. Now, if the unit is in rate base, meaning in a vertically integrated state, well, then, consumers ultimately would have to pay the cost because cost in a per unit that’s in rate base, they get cost recovery through that mechanism.” […] “So, that unit could potentially stay open with consumers paying the additional cost. If the unit is in one of our RTO markets and they’re already at a point where they’re not recovering their capital costs or their operating costs through the market, then you know, you add additional costs, it just makes them even less financially viable. So, they’ll close even sooner.”
- Mark Christie
- Commissioner
- Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC)
- House Energy and Commerce Committee, Energy Subcommittee
- 06/13/2023
[On carbon capture technology] “It would be wonderful if carbon capture technology could be mature to where you could run coal or gas generating units with carbon capture and actually remove all the carbon and have that benefit. I don’t think the technology is anywhere near being mature yet, but time will tell.”
- Mark Christie
- Commissioner
- Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC)
- House Energy and Commerce Committee, Energy Subcommittee
- 06/13/2023
“You can’t just shut down your dispatchable generation overnight or within the matter of a few years and think that you can keep the lights on by simply trying to replace. My point of the megawatt versus a megawatt is the capacity value of the wind or solar megawatt is simply not equal to the capacity value of a megawatt. You can’t just keep the grid running with a 1-1 replacement – the numbers don’t add up.”
- Mark Christie
- Commissioner
- Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC)
- House Energy and Commerce Committee, Energy Subcommittee
- 06/13/2023
“Well, building generating capacity takes time, but the biggest problem we have right now is we’re losing existing generating capacity that could be running and it’s shutting down and it’s shutting down prematurely. So, we’re losing assets that could be providing power right now.”
- Mark Christie
- Commissioner
- Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC)
- House Energy and Commerce Committee, Energy Subcommittee Hearing Oversight of FERC- Adhering to a Mission of Affordable and Reliable Energy for America
- 06/13/2023
[On whether we are getting enough gas units build] “Looking at the PJMQ which is the line of units that want to get in and interconnected, about 90% of it is Wind, Solar or Batteries. I think only 4% is gas. The problem is that we are not getting enough new gas generation to provide backup to the increased deployment of wind and solar. The answer is no, we are not getting enough new. The bigger problem is the gas units we have increasingly can’t get the fuel supply to run as either baseload units that run all the time or as peaker units that have to be called in. It really is a matter of supply. If they can’t get the fuel supply then they can’t provide the power supply.”
- Mark Christie
- Commissioner
- Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC)
- House Energy and Commerce Committee, Energy Subcommittee
- 06/13/2023
“We’ve been watching carbon capture technology for some time, and it’s at least seven to 10 years to put a system into place in a commercial basis if it would work which is unclear to us at this time. The rule requires it by 2030 and there’s just no way we can make that.”
- Patrick O'Loughlin
- President and CEO
- Buckeye Power, Inc. and Ohio Rural Electric Cooperatives
- U.S. House Committee on Energy and Commerce
- 06/06/2023
“I believe there’s a tipping point that is going to occur in 2028 because all the plants that are announced to close in 2028 — most of these coal plants are tied to specific regulations in the EPA. So, they are going to close. So, you have got between now and 2028 to come up with solutions.”
- David Tudor
- CEO
- Associated Electric Cooperative Inc.
- Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources
- 06/01/2023
“First, coal plants are being prematurely retired. Second, there is no technology to deliver around-the-clock base load electricity to replace this retired generation. It has to be tested, proven, financeable, and also connected to the transmission grid by 2028 when all these coal plants are retired. In fact, it’s doubtful anything will be ready by about 2035.”
- David Tudor
- CEO
- Associated Electric Cooperative Inc.
- Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources
- 06/01/2023
“Number one, the dispatchable generation we rely upon today to balance the grid is retiring, and it’s retiring at a rapid rate, and it’s retiring mostly driven by policy considerations. Second, electrification and large-scale data center construction is poised to create significant load growth in our footprint. Third, our new generation queue is largely intermittent, and so we need multiple megawatts of the new generation to replace one megawatt of the retiring generation. And, finally, the new generation is coming online slower than anticipated.”
- Manu Asthana
- President and CEO
- PJM Interconnection
- Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources
- 06/01/2023
“I just want to note the markets have worked… But what is different is that there is this massive policy pressure. It’s really pressure for generators that are dispatchable to retire. And the retirement dates are not tied to demonstration that the replacement capacity is there.”
- Manu Asthana
- President and CEO
- PJM Interconnection
- Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources
- 06/01/2023
“I think people need to understand the scale of this industry is enormous. So last year, we put 20 gigawatts of solar onto the system. That’s the most we have ever put on in a single year. And that’s only about 2 percent of the capacity of the United States. So even with everything that we have done to speed the development of renewables and so forth, with a static grid, we are on a 50- to 75-year trajectory to replace it. And the grid is not static because we are also trying to electrify transportation.”
- Jim Robb
- President and CEO
- North American Electric Reliability Corporation (NERC)
- Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources
- 06/01/2023
“The combination of inverter resources and batteries is a very powerful one. But you need to be cognizant of the scale and duration of protection that you are getting. Four hours is four hours, which is terrific if you have got a three-and-a-half-hour event. If you have a two-week outage associated with a major hurricane, if you have six weeks of cloud cover that you can’t generate from, you need longer-duration storage than four hours.”
- Jim Robb
- President and CEO
- North American Electric Reliability Corporation (NERC)
- Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources
- 06/01/2023
“… one of the important things that these plants provide is the ability for the grid to maintain voltage and maintain frequency and to resist disturbances. Other resources can’t do that nearly as well as large spinning mass generation. And that’s why the loss of coal plants and natural gas plants and nuclear plants is so concerning from a grid reliability perspective.”
- Jim Robb
- President and CEO
- North American Electric Reliability Corporation (NERC)
- Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources
- 06/01/2023
“Our assessments demonstrate that the electric grid is operating ever closer to the edge where more frequent and more serious disruptions are increasingly likely.”
- Jim Robb
- President and CEO
- North American Electric Reliability Corporation (NERC)
- Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources
- 06/01/2023
“… the pace of the transition must be carefully managed to avoid pushing grid operations toward cliff-edge operating vulnerabilities. We certainly don’t want to see many [fossil units] coming off at once. The systems simply cannot be changed overnight.”
- John Moura
- Director of Reliability Assessment
- North American Electric Reliability Corporation (NERC)
- Reporters Call on 2023 Summer Reliability Assessment
- 05/17/2023
“The EPA’s new power plant rule will further strain America’s electric grid and wipe out decades of work to build the power generation capacity to keep the lights on across the country, dependably, with the flip of a switch. This proposal, if enacted, would disrupt domestic energy security, force reliable coal power plants to close, and make new natural gas plants almost impossibly difficult to get up and running.”
- Rep. Bill Johnson (R-OH-6)
- Chair
- House Subcommittee on Environment, Manufacturing, and Critical Materials
- Response to EPA’s Proposed Carbon Rule
- 05/11/2023
“This proposal (Carbon Rule) will further strain America’s electric grid and undermine decades of work to reliably keep the lights on across the nation. And it is just the latest instance of EPA failing to prioritize reliable electricity as a fundamental expectation of American consumers. We’re concerned the proposal could disrupt domestic energy security, force critical always available power plants into early retirement, and make new natural gas plants exceedingly difficult to permit, site, and build.”
- Jim Matheson
- CEO
- National Rural Electric Cooperative Association (NRECA)
- Press Release in response to EPA’s Proposed Carbon Rule
- 05/11/2023
“As an engineering matter, there is no substitute for reliable, dispatchable generation. Intermittent renewable resources like wind and solar are simply incapable, by themselves, of ensuring the stability of the bulk electric system.”
- James Danly
- Commissioner
- Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC)
- FERC Oversight Hearing
- 05/04/2023
“We are retiring dispatchable generating resources at a pace and in an amount that is far too fast and far too great, and it is threatening our ability to keep the lights on. Now the problem is not the addition of wind and solar and other renewable resources. The problem is the subtraction of dispatchable resources such as coal and gas.”
- Mark Christie
- Commissioner
- Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC)
- House Energy and Commerce Committee, Energy Subcommittee
- 05/04/2023
“I am extremely concerned when it comes to the pace of retirements that we’re seeing, of generators that are needed for reliability on our system. NERC and other grid operators have warned about this.”
- Willie Phillips
- Chairman
- Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC)
- FERC Oversight Hearing
- 05/04/2023
“When you do the math — when you look at the rate of retirements, you look at the rate of growth, and you add in the current rate of throughput for our queue — we are headed for some [resource adequacy problems]. And that trouble is likely to find us later in this decade.”
- Manu Asthana
- President and CEO
- PJM Interconnection
- RTO Insider
- 03/27/2023
“The changing grid also means that weather has a greater impact on generation, as too little or too much wind can knock out power from that renewable resource, or snow and clouds can block sunlight from reaching solar panels.”
- Jim Robb
- President and CEO
- North American Electric Reliability Corporation (NERC)
- RTO Insider
- 03/21/2023
“The gas industry is like zero for two in winter performance.”
- Clair Moeller
- President and COO
- Midcontinent Independent System Operator Inc. (MISO)
- Politico Pro
- 03/14/2023
“We’re either replacing plants with less capacity, no capacity, or replacing them with renewables that are intermittent and not always available.”
- Jim Matheson
- CEO
- National Rural Electric Cooperative Association (NRECA)
- NRECA Teleconference
- 03/14/2023
“Fleet change is not the only challenge we face. Extreme weather events are becoming more frequent and severe. Electric vehicles and electric heating in homes and businesses are also poised to grow, which could exert new pressures on the grid in hours of the day and seasons of the year that rarely posed risks in the past.”
- John Bear
- CEO
- Midcontinent Independent System Operator Inc. (MISO)
- The Timberjay
- 02/22/2023
“The goal of the electric system is to strike a balance between reliability and security, access and affordability, safety and the environment.”
- Jim Robb
- President and CEO
- North American Electric Reliability Corporation (NERC)
- Daily Energy Insider
- 01/31/2023
“Renewables also don’t necessarily map to where demand is, unlike fossil fuels, which can be transported and burned near where they’re consumed. That means more transmission lines are needed and building them can take from seven to 15 years.”
- John Moura
- Director of Reliability Assessment,
- North American Electric Reliability Corporation (NERC)
- NERC 2022 Long-Term Reliability Assessment
- 12/15/2022
[About electricity] “It’s seven percent of the economy, but it’s the first seven percent because without it, nothing else works.”
- Jim Robb
- President and CEO
- North American Electric Reliability Corporation (NERC)
- NARUC Summer Policy Summit Interview, Fortnightly Magazine
- 07/18/2022